Click above to listen to part 2 of True Grit, featuring Pupa Gilbert, biophysicist and geobiologist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, explaining how parrotfish produce sand as a byproduct of their digestion.

True Grit:
Part 1: Vince Beiser / World of Sand
Part 2: Pupa Gilbert / Sand Makers
Part 3: Joe Charbonnet / Engineered Sand
Part 4: Managing Sand in the Mississippi

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