Carl Sagan said “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” There is strong scientific evidence that the virus is natural and very likely originated in bats, but some, including government officials, claim it escaped from, or was manufactured in, a lab — without any proof. 

Click above to listen to part 3 of To the Bat Cave, featuring a brief essay by Seth.

To the Bat Cave:
Part 1: Jon Epstein / Bat Enthusiast
Part 2: Jon Epstein / EcoHealth Alliance
Part 3: Seth Shostak / Extraordinary Claims
Part 4: Meredith Wadman / NIH Cuts
Part 5: Jon Epstein / Pandemic Prevention

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Big Picture Science is an immersive radio show and podcast that reveals the unexpected connections in science.

Our Skeptic Check episodes take a critical look at extraordinary science claims and pseudoscience.

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Seth Shostak Producer and Co-Host, Big Picture Science
Senior Astronomer, SETI Institute

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